Oh, boy... There are so many things that upset us regarding Lucifer and how this show handles him. We'll try to not be too awfully harsh, but keep in mind the purpose of this page.



Charlie treats Lucifer unfairly.

Please don't misunderstand when we say this. We like Charlie (despite our misgivings with her in season 2). She just treats her father in ways we really disagree with sometimes.

We are also writing this without having full context of Charlie's childhood with her dad, outside of her claiming to have not known him well.

Though episode 5 is our favorite of season 1, it has so many problems from start to finish...

Charlie's entire goal in this show is to help rehabilitate those in Hell. To give everyone another chance. She's typically incredibly forgiving, insisting on seeing the best in others (even if there isn't much good to be found). 

But she seems very hesitant in extending that same forgiveness and understanding to her dad. 

Obviously, Lucifer isn't exempt from blame. He was an absent father (and admittedly still is, to an extent). But he seems to currently be putting more effort into their relationship than Charlie. 

Though she states that it had been 5 months since Lucifer last called her, it had apparently been years since Charlie had called him herself. 

We also don't agree with her seemingly assuming that Lucifer just simply agreed to the exterminations without reason. Nothing has yet to be confirmed either way, but we get the feeling that there's more to it than Charlie believes (we also don't know why she's never pulled him aside and asked him for more details on that, especially when considering how important the topic is to her).

Charlie was written oddly in that episode in general, honestly... Her relationship with Alastor was shown to be much more intimate than it had ever been before, or has been since.

Obviously, Alastor attempting to present himself as a father figure to Charlie was solely to rile up Lucifer, but Charlie curiously went along with him the entire time without once suspecting his intentions (which is made even more confusing by her immediately being displeased by his mere presence in episode 7).

When Alastor began attacking the loan sharks, Charlie questioned why Lucifer couldn't be supportive of her dreams when Alastor was. Which is. So wild to us.

It was established from the very beginning that Alastor in no way believed in Charlie's vision, and only arrived to help for his own amusement (and from being forced to by his contract). There was no evidence for Charlie to believe that Alastor was protecting the hotel for anything other than his own selfish reasons.

And though this is more of an issue with the overall writing of the episode and not with Charlie herself, we dislike how the show presents the conflict as if it's Lucifer who needs to change his mind. That he's the one in the wrong for being so resistant to the idea of helping Charlie get a meeting with Heaven. 

Heaven up to this point had only been presented as corrupt, and it had been established that Lucifer suffered great trauma from his banishment. We think it's entirely reasonable and justified for Lucifer to be against the idea of allowing his daughter to go to Heaven, when from his perspective, he'd only be sending her over to be hurt.

And his fears were only later confirmed. He was right. Charlie went up to Heaven, and got hurt. Granted, it wasn't anticipated for Vaggi to end up being an angel, but Charlie failed to end the exterminations despite her best efforts, and was threatened directly by Adam. 

And with season 2... Geez.

We admittedly got really upset with Charlie for yelling at Lucifer when he only had good intentions for threatening Vox. We feel like his involvement hardly worsened matters; Sera and the others attempting to apologize for years of genocide with a few gift baskets of all things was all the fuel Vox needed to rally up Hell against Heaven. 

Charlie had no right to blame him (or Vaggi) for the situation, though thankfully the latter called her out on her hypocrisy. 

Charlie telling Lucifer to leave the hotel was especially awful, and you can see from his reaction that he was a lot more hurt by that than he allowed himself to express to her.

And episodes 7 and 8 were horrible. We'll go more into details about our issues with them later on in this page, but Charlie didn't seem too awfully concerned about the idea of her dad being captured. And when he later managed to free himself and collapsed to the ground in front of her while bleeding, she ran up to him but was then immediately distracted and didn't seem to pay him any mind for the rest of the scene.

Perhaps she tended to him off-screen, but if that's the case, we really don't understand this show's aversion to the two of them having positive interactions.

It was just so. Odd. And left a really bad taste in our mouth. Especially considering how the season started off so strong with the two of them having a genuine conversation with each other and Lucifer attempting to comfort Charlie.

We really hope that things improve between them in future seasons, but we don't have high expectations...

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Other unaddressed plot points.

Before season 2 started, we were really wondering how Lucifer would react when he found out that Alastor had managed to convince Charlie to make a deal with him (not well, we're guessing). However, this was never once addressed. Not even slightly, which we find incredibly odd.

We are also very upset that Lucifer's reaction to Pentious' redemption was never shown. Despite Charlie's excitement at the idea of her dad learning about it, she was never shown talking to him about it, and when Pentious broadcasted himself from Heaven to Hell, Lucifer was only half-conscious at that point and probably barely processed it.

We feel like Lucifer is one of the characters whose reaction to Pentious managing to get to Heaven is the most important considering his views on sinners, but it was instead just shoved aside... Maybe it'll get established in season 3, but we feel like it'd be too little too late.

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Episodes 7 and 8 of season 2 are horrendous.

We hate these episodes for what they did to Lucifer... He was tortured for almost the entirety of them, and it really doesn't seem like the others were that bothered by it. Vaggi failed to get him out and said she'd come back for him, but never did. She never even told anyone he was trapped down there.

He was just left there, completely alone, and without any idea of what was happening to him. He wasn't even aware that he was being used to power a weapon to attack Heaven and kill multiple sinners. And when Vaggi was talking to him, he seemed particularly out of it. Almost like he was dissociating in an effort to cope...

It's especially upsetting when you consider the fact that Lucifer shouldn't have even been captured to begin with. It's been established multiple times that he can both teleport and shapeshift. What was stopping him from teleporting out, or shapeshifting into a super large or small animal to free himself? 

If Carmilla built it to nullify his powers so he couldn't use them or something, then why did they not address that? It's one thing for him to be shown trying to get out but failing, and another for him to just accept what's happening to him. We're aware that he has severe depression, but we don't think he'd just allow himself to be captured and repeatedly hurt when the whole time, he was concerned about Charlie. 

None of it makes sense. The show just makes him forget his abilities whenever it's most convenient. 

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Lucifer's ships are AWFUL.

We hate them. None of them make any sense, and yet we see them everywhere. We know that everybody is allowed to have their own tastes and ship what they want, but we are also allowed to complain about it.

Honestly, him being with anybody but Lilith feels unrealistic. He's an incredibly loyal partner. And even if she were to cut things off with him, we don't see him getting with anyone else for a very, very long time, if ever. We feel like their relationship ending would break him.

Lucifer and Alastor seem to be the most popular ship, and under different circumstances, we could maybe see the appeal. We're normally all for the enemies to lovers trope. But this ship would just. Not work. 

We like Alastor, but we seriously do not understand shipping Lucifer with a literal serial killer who tortures people for his own enjoyment. We don't see any situation where Lucifer would be content being in a relationship with him. He can barely even stand being around Alastor at all.

And the context of Lucifer being unable to defend himself against Alastor makes it even worse. Alastor can torment him as much as he wants, and it's already been hinted that he's taking full advantage of that. It wouldn't just be toxic at that point. It'd be straight up abusive.

And though we know that Alastor hasn't been confirmed to be aromantic (just asexual), we really question if he's capable of genuinely loving anyone. Even if Lucifer somehow fell for him, we feel like it'd be a very one-sided and unloving relationship where Alastor just regularly uses him. Lucifer deserves so much better than that...

Another one that makes no sense is Lucifer and Vox. Especially considering the events of the recent episodes, there is not even a remote possibility of that happening. 

But the absolute worst is Lucifer and Adam. We have no idea how this ship is as popular as it is. How, in any universe, would Lucifer want to be with someone who mistreated his wife and attempted to kill his daughter? It's baffling. 

The only Lucifer ship we can tolerate is Lucifer and Lilith, both because we think it's sweet how much he still loves her (even if it's also tragic), and due to us wanting to have hope that she can redeem herself.

We doubt Lilith is evil. She has to have reasons for disappearing like she did, but until an explanation is given for her ghosting both her husband and daughter for years, we're not going to have the highest opinion of her.

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Concerns for season 3 and onwards.

We don't have high hopes at all for season 3. It's been stated that it'll be the Morningstar season, but Viv makes it sound like it's going to also focus on a bunch of other characters and plot elements (which has always been one of this show's biggest downfalls).

It's supposed to also cover Angel's family and Alastor. Lute's story has yet to be concluded and will be explored more in the future, and apparently Vox's story isn't over despite having an entire season centering around him. 

We just can't see this season being well-paced. It's most likely going to be just as crammed and rushed as the previous two seasons, but it's going to hurt more since it's supposed to be covering Lucifer and his family. We're going to be indescribably angry seeing them mess it up.

What we want is to have an entire episode centering around Lucifer before his banishment, exploring his past as an angel and his relationship with Lilith. But we can't help but fear that they'll instead just attempt to summarize everything that happened to him through a 2-4 minute song. This show really loves cramming important plot points into short songs...

We also hope that they don't treat Lucifer's disliking of sinners as a huge flaw that he needs to change. Granted, this does depend on the context of the exterminations. If he agreed to it solely due to him not liking sinners, then that would be a lot more inexcusable. But we're going off of our belief that there's more to the situation.

We really doubt that he let the exterminations happen with no strings attached. Lucifer seemed to disagree with Vox's statement that he wants everyone in Hell to suffer forever. Though even if this line were to be shoved aside since it occurs after Charlie apparently changed his mind a little on sinners, letting straight up genocide happen just. Doesn't sound like him. Especially since he was aware of Lilith's goals.

He's never seemed like a violent person; he's usually passive. Even with Adam, he didn't seriously attempt to hurt him until he tried to attack his daughter a second time. It seemed like he was mostly just messing with him before then (aside from his first punch to make Adam release Charlie).

While it isn't the best to generalize millions of people, when you consider Lucifer's perspective, we feel like it makes complete sense. They abused his gift of free will, and now he is forced to eternally suffer for it. We don't blame him at all for preferring to avoid them.

We feel like his views are supported by the fact that outside of the main cast, the show tends to focus on genuinely awful sinners (cannibals, killers, a cult leader, rapists, etc.) Hazbin doesn't really explore the sinners that got sent to Hell for more "innocent" (is that the right word?) reasons, such as suicide or not believing in God. Outside of Pentious, we guess. And even in his case, he was influenced by Hell's environment and also became violent.

Our biggest fears are Lucifer being eventually killed off as a sacrifice, or somehow being revealed to be a twist villain of some sort. His death would destroy us, but we think the latter would be even worse since it would be a total betrayal to him as a person (though thankfully this is unlikely since Viv herself has stated that he is not a bad person).

This show is a mess!!! We hate it. But we are quite literally hellbound to it.